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13.2.2008

I wrote the original review of these excellent products inFeb 2008, however, it's now September 2009 and - about 18 months on – prices ofthese discs have not significantly fallen, but in that same period othertechnologies have got a LOT cheaper and considerably more capacious.Consequently, your reviewer believes that we have crossed a Rubicon... let meexplain!(Note: If youonly came here to find out about the Blu-Ray discs - scroll down to"Original Review")If you're reading this, the chances are you have a lot ofdata to store. Since video is the "fattest" data type, you probablyhave lots of that, or possibly you have enormous amounts of audio or perhapshi-res images. In short,you have a data storage problem to solve.We're now seeing mainstream hard drives from Seagate,Samsung and others offering 1.5 Terabytes (that's 1,500 Gigabytes or 1.5MILLION megabytes) offered for a delivered cost well under £100. At the time ofwriting, Amazon is offering Samsung Spinpoint 1.5TB drives for £80 - delivered.Each of these hard drives will hold the equivalent of 60 of Blu-Ray discs, or30 if you'd prefer to compare the later dual-layer Blu-Ray discs which can eachstore 50GBytes each.60 x Blu-Ray discs, even at the best prices available today,will cost you about £5.10 delivered cost per disc, or £306 for the lot. If youused dual layer discs you'd be paying about £8.90 delivered cost per disc, andtherefore paying £267 for 30 of them. Using conventional shelving (CD formatwall shelves) 60 discs will occupy a space around 33" (84cm) wide by6" (15cm) high by 6" (15cm) deep.So, for the Blu-Ray side of the equation, we have a minimumpurchase cost of about 17 pence per gigabyte, and for our 1,500 gigabytes ondual layer Blu-Ray we'd need a physical space of about 594 cubic inches. Wemight also factor in the amount of time it would take to write these discs -but that's widely variable by writer, by system and by Blu-ray brand, so let'sleave that aside.On the hard drive side, we have a purchase cost of £80 whichgives a cost per gigabyte of about 5.3 pence per gigabyte. When inside theanti-static plastic cases in which they are supplied, each hard drive measures7" (about 18cm) long by 5" (12.5cm) wide by 1.5" (35.5cm) deep.That's 52.5 cubic inches. Since we only need one, that's the amount of spacethat the hard drive version of our 1.5TBytes of storage will occupy.For the Blu-Ray discs you would need a writer, and this willcost about £140 delivered. To use the hard drive as plug-in storage for your PCyou would need a SATA hard drive docking bay that will cost you about £35delivered.So the headlines are: The Blu-Ray version of 1.5Terabytes ofstorage will cost us more than 3 times as much to buy, involve equipment thatcosts about 3 times as much and occupy more than ten times the amount of spacein our home when we have it.But of course, that's not the whole story... there are theissues of longevity and accessibility.Pretty obviously, hard drives (with all their mechanicalparts) in daily use don't last as long as optical discs stored on the shelf.But, in this scenario we are looking at using hard drives as long-term offlinestorage, we write our archive data onto them and then unplug from our systemand put them somewhere safe in their anti-static box, in much the same way aswe always have done with CDs, DVDs and Blu_ray discs.There is surprisingly little information available on thelongevity of hard discs when used in this way: That's probably because, inconsumer land at least, it's only in the last year or so that it has beenfinancially and space advantageous to use them thus. What information there issuggests that, if properly stored in reasonable conditions (avoiding extremesof temperatures such as might be found in a loft or garage), a hard drive willlast a very long time, if not in daily use.It's easy to damage an optical disc by scratching it. Partor all of the data on it can be rendered unreadable by such damage. Similarlyit's possible to drop a hard drive and damage it, or to do bad things to itsuch that the file system on it becomes corrupted and the files lost.The risk of losing files is one you need to form a personalview about depending on what you want to achieve. Are you building an archive?(Keep everything, forever) or a library? (Keep things for a while but graduallyreplace them with newer things). As with all backup schemes, it comes down tothe question of "What are you NOT prepared to lose"? The answer tothat question will show you whether or not you need to make dual copies.As I said in my Blu-Ray review I always create two copies ofmy Blu-Ray archive discs to guard against data loss, and when using a hard discbased backup scheme (which, yes, I am now doing for some data) I do the same, Iwrite the same set of files to two hard discs as a safeguard and store thosehard drives in different places. Additionally I ensure that each “pair” of harddrives is from a different manufacturer, if they were both from the samebatch of product that has obvious potential dangers. Of course, which evertechnology you use, creating two copies doubles the time and cost, but givesreasonable peace of mind.So, I think it's pretty clear that we have crossed a Rubicon:Pluggable Hard Disc storage now has to be the technology of choice for manyarchive and backup needs. That's not to say that optical disc storage isobsolete, it's still a good method for data interchange between systems and forother purposes. But as a backup medium I believe it has been eclipsed. No doubtoptical storage will fight back with denser storage on newer formats, but withhard drives now having such a commanding lead in price, performance andfootprint (and with 2TB hard drives on the slate for 2010) the next generationof optical products would have to be pretty spectacular to get back into poleposition.NOTES:* If you go down the pluggable hard drive route, make sure that your operating system and the docking product that you buy provide full support for "hot-plugging" drives (i.e. inserting and removing hard discs while the system is running).* Windows XP and Vista provide such support - but the additional hardware and its software driver must ALSO be Windows hot-plug compliant for it to work properly.* BAD things may happen to your file system data if you don't have the necessary hot-plug support.=======Original ReviewI was hesitatant in going Blu-Ray. I have used DVD recordable since its early days. I went through the buying cheap and nasty DVD recordables phase, and paying the price for that, in terms of discs I could not read only a few weeks after burning them. I then switched to using branded DVDs - which I have been doing for 5 years or more with very few problems.The problem is that - as it gets ever easier to create digital data by the truckload (in my case by making lots of digital off-air TV and radio recordings) the once mighty 4.7Gbytes capacity offered by DVD Recordable now seems pretty inadequate. Even the 8.6GB dual layer DVD discs - which are actually pretty good now if you buy branded ones - don't really solve the problem any more - especially when you consider the size of hard drives out there now - 1000GBytes for under £100, and 1.5TB drives on the way (August 2008) - sheesh!Enter Blu-Ray (yes we got there! Sorry if you thought you'd wandered into the wrong review there for a minute or two!). 25Gbytes per disc - on a platter the same size as CD or DVD - seems like a dream come true. Here's the good news: IT IS A DREAM COME TRUE!!Seeing the ever rising tide of DVD recordables around me one day last year I got desperate! I did a little research and then, took a deep breath and ordered a Pioneer Blu-Ray writer drive and also a Lite-ON Blu-Ray reader (I always advocate making sure you can read written discs on a different drive to the one that wrote them - it's a much more reliable check that just a verify pass on the same drive, which of course, can mostly read what it wrote - so can most doctors!).Ever since I got and installed these drives (upgrading Nero to Version 7 which supports Blu-Ray as soon as you install the drive) I have been buying these Verbatim Blu-Ray recordables (and also a few rewritables). It's been excellent, none of the hassle that I had in the early days of DVD with spoiled discs by the binload, in fact I have now written almost 100 Blu-Rays and NONE of them have failed - which to me is pretty impressive. Almost all of them have been these Verbatim products - but a handful were TDK ones - and they all worked flawlessly. FYI I use these discs as ROMS to contain flat video MPEG2 files - I am not using them as Blu-Ray entertainment discs.Now, the bad news (don't worry it's not THAT bad!): It takes a while to write each disc. Well, the discs are mostly 2x discs and there's 25GB to write - so do the calcs and you can see why. I usually reckon about 2.5 hours per disc with a verify pass on the writer. Then about 12-15 minutes on my other system with the Blu-Ray reader installed, to copy all the files off the new disc to a gash folder on hard disc - just to prove everything on the disc is readable.I guess the other thing to highlight is the cost, though since I bought my writer last year writers have more than HALVED in price and these discs are down in price also and falling monthly - a little way to go to be on a pricing vs capacity par with DVD-R, but it's getting there. I see some of the new drives are now offering faster write speeds too, so the time taken should begin to fall also. Dual layer Blu-Ray (50GB) is next and then - they say - dual layer dual sided (100GB). Hmm, heard all this with DVD and it was slow in coming. Anyway, 25GB per disc is fine for me - for the moment 8-)If you are willing to spend money to solve a space problem then I have absolutely no hesitation in recommending these discs. If you're thinking of going Blu-Ray check it out, it might be just the thing for you too.

1.3.2011

I recently added a blu-ray writer to my system after several months of doubt about the potential value to me, how it may be used and other questions not least about the cost relative to DVD writers, typically 8-10 times more and especially the media.Many of the disks of whatever type I have used until now are employed to contain semi-archival material that may have a lifespan of 3-5 years before redundancy, although for some purposes longer-term value may be important. As systems get faster and installed memory become ever greater, file-sizes seem to grow to match. I have had several that would not fit on a dual-layer DVD and kept them on a hard drive until recently.

24.12.2012

This product i awarded a five star rating mainly because of quality and re userbility,you can use this as a trial burn disc before committing a batch of bd-r discs,so you incur no wastage.The quality is worth a note,the highest holding on this 25gb single layer blu-ray disc is 1920/1080p at around 25mbps,that is the render size i copy onto them,a mpeg2 render @ 25mbps 1920/1080p 24fps,with 192khz audio in main concept from vegas pro 12, this does the job to best of my equipments ability,and the results are excellent,especially when played back through a 4k ultra hd tv.It is about the same as many avchd camcorders shoot at,and really after checking the res charts only a small margin below 2k.I

24.5.2011

I'm a big fan of Verbatim Disks, I have never in my history with computers ever had one fail.I was very very impressed as 22GB of data was written in just under 1hour 20mins!! The SERL Technology, (Super Eutectic Recording Layer) is a massive bonus because it means that I can re-write over and over aagian without loss of performance, up to 1000 times (apparantly), not sure about that but I have got other Verbatim disks with the same SERL Technolgy and I have re-written on them meny times.So all in all you get a great tough/Hard neat disk with all the above for under a fiver, you really can't go wrong.It is a must have at this price and it's such an outstanding disk. 5*+++++Oh yeah,

20.12.2018

Ok but I do have trouble with BD-RE especially the 50gb variety. Tend to get write errors when updating discs. I have two burners and use a variey of software but do occasionally have problems. I think it's best to use write once discs as they are fairly cheap now and seem to work well with only very rare failures.

14.8.2011

I bought this product because I need to back up my hard drive, and I am delighted to say it went smoothly. I have reused the disc twice with no error message or hiccups I get from my DVD Re-writable disk and one other blu-ray disc I'm not going to mention.

31.10.2012

Good price & fast delivery.Have used the disc several times with full erase & quick erase & have no problems with playback quality on video and no Data loss with backups etc.2.5 speed write so expect at least an hour plus if writing a full 25Gb disc.

14.7.2012

"Superb Disc, just what i wanted, quick delivery, very well packaged, records/erases/plays with no problems whatsoever in my new Panasonic blu-ray recorder, would buy from again, very Highly Recommended. "

28.12.2012

I always buy Verbatim as their products have never let me down. This is no different. An excellent product at such a reasonable price. Does the job perfectly.

17.11.2011

As title says, it has great capacity and can store plenty of media, as i have already stored 8 normal res movies and it is only half full.Great product.